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December 9, 2006 at 3:18 pm #643661
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:oops:
For most of us …. are parents with children.

From time to time I find that when i raise issues of children around various forums that it provokes quite a headed debate.

Our society has come so far over the past few decades in bringing sexuality out of the closet but it seems when the subject is brought up about teenagers our the sexuality of our kids …..people feel fear or aprehension to talk about it openly.

For example, I have a 16 year old daugher that is quite normal in all aspects of life. She is pretty, she is a high achiever at school. I also have two teenage boys.
I know for example that most of my daughters friends lost their virginity before the age of 16. Quite normal as most of us did back in the 70′s.

But its odd that if I stand up and make a statement that the age of consent law should be kept at 14, people put their heads in the sand or tend to take a bit of a hypocritical attitude saying that kids should not have sex until they are 16 or 18.

I just say who are we to judge. It’s their bodies and they will decide and there is very little we can do to change that fact irregardless of how far we wish to put our heads in the sand.

Gary 8)


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December 9, 2006 at 3:34 pm #643662
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:64d5fca5e8="Gary_Joy_CPL wrote:

…its odd that if I stand up and make a statement that the age of consent law should be kept at 14, people put their heads in the sand or tend to take a bit of a hypocritical attitude[/quote:64d5fca5e8]

Hey Mom and Dad ;)

I think you’re comments were inspired by the two comments in the “shout box” after you “shouted” …

:64d5fca5e8 wrote:

Gary_Joy_CPL: Why are they trying to raise the age of consent back up to 16 ,,,I think 14 was reasonable?[/quote:64d5fca5e8]

There were two comments …

:64d5fca5e8 wrote:

dtsronline: ewwwwwww..!!!!!!!![/quote:64d5fca5e8]

:64d5fca5e8 wrote:

Enigma: Ooooops! :( [/quote:64d5fca5e8]

Speaking for myself, my comment wasn’t about “putting my head in the sand”. If I had known that your initial comment was coming from a “Mom and Dad” about their own children … I would not have shouted “Ooooops!”

NOW … the comment makes sense … while previous to your explanation … ????

I think you’re astute enough to see where the two negative comments were coming from! No?


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December 9, 2006 at 3:49 pm #643663
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Yes …thanks Enigma…I guess i should have expanded on things more.

Perhaps lately will all the attention in the media about pedophiles abusing children, most of us tend to get a bit antcy when ever any subject about children with reference to sex.

My views in terms of what should happen to pedophiles that abuse children are quite simple. The should be shot.

: :-x


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December 9, 2006 at 3:53 pm #643664
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:11a1317d67="Gary_Joy_CPL wrote:

My views in terms of what should happen to pedophiles that abuse children are quite simple. They should be shot. :-x [/quote:11a1317d67]

Nope. I disagree with you!

Shooting would be too quick, too painless, too humane!


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December 9, 2006 at 5:24 pm #643665
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Having 2 daughters, both well under that age, I have to say I disagree with you…But not in a bad way…First you may want to check out this thread, as this type of issue has been debated here before, and I took some heat for rather “progressive” theories, lol!

http://www.happyhedonist.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=7792

Anyways, the fact that the law is 14, does have some affect as to what age kids start experiementing…Some people DO follow the law for fear of what would happen if they got caught…AND in my opinion, many girls I am sure would use the law in their favour…for example, if a guy were pressuring her at 15 years of age, he could say, “C’mon baby, it’s legal!”…Turn that around, if the laws were changed, the girl could say…”No, besides, it’s illegal!”, which would stop SOME boys in their tracks…As far as I am concerned, many, not all, 15 year old girls are not capable of making this decision, and end up doing things they regret…anything that gives girls a better chance of putting off the loss of their virginity is good in my opinion!

Lastly, Gary, I honestly thought you were joking by the way, and I am surprised you have not taken more pot shots because of your views…No offence! :wink:


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December 9, 2006 at 5:48 pm #643666
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Thanks Wilderness.

(my goal here is really just to get some interesting topics of discussion)

Actually I am happy to say with all my children, with special reference to my 16 year old daughter and my 17 year old son they still possess their virginity. It was simply a situation of their choice.

When our daugther turned 14, as parents, we did sit down with her and let her understand that if she wished to become sexually active than we encouraged her to use protection of both birth control pills and condoms.
Same situation existed for our son in terms of taking responsibility to use condoms.

We are just kind of fortunate that our children made good choices. Plus I must confess I made a contract with my daughter that if she held on to her virginity until she was sixteen that I would give her $1000.00 dollars for her 16th birthday :P Further raising the stakes up to $5000.00 if she kept it until 18.

From discussions with her over her teenage years it came up in conversations that various close friends of hers had lost their virginity. Most of the time it was to boys their own age, and often guys that they had dated for quite a few months.

When I was a teenager back in the 70′s jailbait was at age 16. There was a lot of girls that were 13, 14 and 15 that were having sex with older boys some as much as 18 years of age . Most of these cases involved the girls being in intense relationships. No law would have stopped the inevitable.

I think a two years is a pretty good tolerance in age difference with age of consent current laws. But its a touchy subject because there is always some situations that fall outside the boundries where coercion has been a factor.

All we can hope for is that we as parents have good communication with our children and hopefully the children will make the best choices for their psychological and physical developments.


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January 9, 2007 at 4:34 am #643667
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A touchy subject indeed. I am a single father of four teenage boys all of who were sexually active by age 16. The two youngest live with me. As a single Dad I also have two teenage girls now 16 and 18 that are not mine but the 18 year old is my sons girl friend and lives with us ( not my choice or her”s) and the 16 year old lived with us from the time she was 15 until few months ago and I am now “Dad” as far as either of the young ladies are concerned. Both were very angry young women left homeless by family break ups resulting from affairs. I am stuck with all the responsibilities of moral guidance for these for these sexually active young ladies including the fatherly talks about the dangers of being sexually active at such young ages. Since both girls were already sexually active before I became Dad, I can’t stop them but only try to steer them in a responsible safe direction. The 16 year old doesn’t like sex and gets no pleasure from it but does it only to please her boyfriend and fears losing him if she doesn’t. She is 5′ 10 and gorgeous and looks 18 or 19 years old and that is scary for any parent of a 16 year old girl. The peer pressure on young women today to engage in sex in their early teens is very intense. I heard a group of young women no older than 14 or 15 ridiculing and taunting another young woman about the same age because she was a virgin and had a fight with her new boyfriend because she wouldn’t put out for him. One girl taunted her saying ” He is hot! If you don’t fuck him I will” Are you going to wait until your an old lady? The subject of this pressure and abuse was a cute young girl no more than 14 years old. Right or wrong I did put in my two cents worth to defend the young ladies choice to stay a virgin. I was angry.
When a young woman is teased and ridiculed by her own female friends for being a virgin not to mention the pressure from the guys to put out or get out, the temptation to give in to be socially acceptable is very strong.
I doubt very much if being illegal ever enters the mind of a horny 15 or 16 year old. And yes there is the problem of young women with raging hormones that want to get laid and love sex just as much or more than adults do. The message from the media is also sexually encouraging. Half the the top singers video’s and songs are sexually suggestive from Brittany Spears to who ever wrote the song about lady lumps and lady humps that was so popular among very young teenage women last year. Most of the current crop of young female singer and actress teenage idols have nude pic’s or porn videos supposedly stolen on the internet. The message from the media is that sex is great for young women. I have learned to roll with the disappointment’s and while I do let them know if they disappoint me, I never get angry because they need to know that they can come to me anytime if they are in trouble and yelling at them will only leave them with no one go to when they really do have a problem they can’t handle. I am of mixed feeling about the age of consent.
I really don’t think there is a clear solution that fits every teenager. Being a father to teenage girls is new to me and not something I planned on. I just hope I am going in the right direction because my influence upon these young ladies seems to be making a difference and I hope it is the right difference.
Just my thoughts, your’s may differ.
Firebird.


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