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Harper is like a bad joke that won't go away, only the joke's on us, particularly if you're a Canadian.
His total lack of respect towards humanity goes way beyond the pale.
He has put himself before the people & this is almost criminal.
He has no word & he has created more problems in his time of leadership than anyone else I can remember as a Prime Minister of Canada.
Now, his latest scandal is about the nuclear reactor plant. He has lied about the real state of affairs as the world looks on in horror. After all this is Canada.
All this is rough in the best of times. However this is the worst of times. What kind of leadership is this?
We, as Canadians only have ourselves to blame because he managed to get in power.
Look what he spends time on:
His proroguing of parliament
He said he would work with other parties during this economic meltdown ... he did the opposite
His platform to do away with an un-elected senate- what a joke.
His insulting China has come to haunt us now.
His broken promises on the world stage with Koyoto
His abuse of power
His is a born dictator
His cabinet has become a joke.
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sweetorgiests
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Not a huge fan of Iggy, but it is time he does something about it ... harper, flaherty, clement combined aren't worth a pinch of coon shit.
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twoseekmore
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Ruthy...while you run a great website and successful club and kudos for both.....you must really refrain from politics until either better informed or far more objective....preferably both! I believe the Fiberal Party really has quite enough sycophants...
Lack of respect to humanity?
I suppose he also boils kittens and has small children in his lair weaving rugs !.....Such hyperbole!! Can you burden us with some facts please?...
He has put himself before the people & this is almost criminal.
Really? When? Where? again...sounds like another load of liberal toss...
He has no word & he has created more problems in his time of leadership than anyone else I can remember as a Prime Minister of Canada.[/i]
Really now? My my... how fast you forget Jean le Liar Chretien....and those fountains and golf balls and Shawina-gate...the HRDC scandal...the sponsership scandal. the gun registry debacle, Mahar Arar, Sampson. his ill infomed [i]gotta have a legacy stand on Kyoto,
Quote From - Jean Chretien - Legacy of Scandal
By the end of his decade-long tenure as Prime Minister it was clear that he was where he was to serve himself and his party rather than the country. Chretien, as demonstrated by the events following his departure, sought mostly to empower and enrich himself and the Liberal Party. But even with all the bumbling, duplicity, and abuse of power that was the hallmark of the Chrentien Liberals for a decade, the biggest scandal to hit his government had yet to be made public. (Gomery)
Sure the situation at Chalk-River is not acceptable....but do you really believe that it would be different under a Liberal regime??? Give yer head a shake!!
The mechanisms that have lead to the situation there were WELL IN PLACE under the Liberals....and have more to with AECL and regulatory bodies than who sits in parliament...
Prorogue of Parliament? -
Your problem with that is exactly???
Canadians did NOT want an election and Harper was right in his points.....Political parties SHOULD sink or swim on thier own!!
And the UNHOLY ALLIANCE that Iggy and Stooges cobbled together with the SEPERATISTS....Your telling me that that was a good thing? Are you barking mad? or just naive??? or both???
Work with other parties???
What the hell for? Have the Liberals come up with anything other than criticisms?...or even more massive spending? Hmmmm I don,t like the sound of that? Do you??
Harper has done an admirable job navigating the GLOBAL economic meltdown.... largely due to maintaining banking laws, preventing debt instruments to be used....and sound financial management.
No other potential leader in the wings would be doing ANYTHING remarkably different. If you think so....please...grab something!
The Liberals have wonderful record of maintaining Conservative policies....in fact...I can,t think of any they,ve repealed?...Can you?
Oh yes....they did promise to scrap the GST....Remember..?!
Oh right....another broken Liberal promise!
Insulted China..!!
Ohh I am soooo upset about that!! Uhoh....does it mean Walmart,s gonna raise their prices?
Hallelujah! to a leader who finally has enough cojones to stand up to a fascist regime that has no regard for human rights. justice. environment...
Perhaps you would prefer he went to Bejing and praised them ???
.........You are mad..!!.
Come on Ruthy...I can tear a strip off everything in your post....
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DavidM
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twoseekmore, Ruthy does not need to bark with the BIG dogs. She speaks her mind and if you REALLY prefer Harper, I am sure you will vote for him.
In this house we'll vote for the Liberals. Because that is what we are, liberals. Liberal and open minded whereas Mr. Harper has demonstrated he is only a BULLY and a would be tyrant.
Thank God he's already on his second minority. He won't get a third and certainly never a majority.
But enough of Mr. Harper. He a goner, no matter what.
My question is. . . Does Iggy have the ability to make Canada the most exciting place on earth, as it surely deserves to be. Does Iggy have a vision big enough? |
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She speaks her mind ....
Nothing wrong with that David....just better to think a bit first....
Liberal and open minded ....
Believe me David...you can be conservative and open minded as well! Liberals have no lock on open mindedness....only a perceived one!
He a goner, no matter what.
Something about chickens and eggs spring to mind.....
Finally ; does Iggy have the vision???
Iggy, like most liberals won,t stand for anything...anything that is other than to be elected....thats just what liberals do.
He hasn,t come forth with a single ferkin, policy statement yet...and don,t hold your breath. |
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Ruthy
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twoseekmore,
Your response is to attack the Liberal leaders & nothing more. You act just like Mr. Harper.
I never talked about the Liberals. I spoke about quality of leadership. And if you do want to compare scandals between Mr.Chretien & Mr.Harper, truth is for the period of time Mr. Harper has been in power, he's way ahead of Mr.Chretien in scandals ... in fact he's swimming in them.
Chalk-River is disgraceful, never mind un- acceptable. Yes I do believe that the Liberals would handle Chalk-River today much better & certainly with less hidden secrets.
Bur Proroguing the government wouldn't even come up if not for the mess Mr. Harper has created.
You are welcome to admire Mr.Harper, but to me, you set your standards pretty low. Remember Mr.Harper began his government with a huge surplus left by the very competent Mr. Martin, so let's not get mixed up & give credit where it's not due.
And about Mr. Chretien & the sponsorship scandal, thank God Mr. Chretien had the balls to do what was necessary to keep his country intact. Mr. Harper has done nothing but split up this great country which Mr. Chrtien left us unified
Mr. Chretien kept us out of the Iraq mess.
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twoseekmore
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Your response is to attack the Liberal leaders
Actually Ruthy....you started by attacking Mr Harper with unfounded statements and hyperbole...
Mr.Harper, truth is for the period of time Mr. Harper has been in power, he's way ahead of Mr.Chretien in scandals ... in fact he's swimming in them.
Again Ruthy....the facts say otherwise. Both Chretien and Martin were completly mired in scandals....and of a much more serious nature. The kind that ate away at the very integrity of government. If you wish....please start the count.
I shall be sure to match you 2 for 1!...or better!
You thank Chretien for keeping the country together? What? by pouring millions of our tax dollars into a ad campaign run by his buddies in Quebec???
Are you truly mad? or severly disillusioned?
You don.t keep a country together by behaving like a 3rd world oligarch doling out dosh to your friends...that is unless your a Liberal...!
Remember Mr.Harper began his government with a huge surplus left by the very competent Mr. Martin,
Really? Lets look at the competent Mr Martin...(who was eaten alive by his own party after his own coup d,etat on Chretien... btw...)
1)Child poverty increasing 21% since the House of Commons' 1989 unanimous resolution to 'seek to eliminate child poverty by the year 2000'. One in six children, or 1,139,000 children, still live in poverty in Canada.
2)After slashing social programs, eliminating the housing budget, and wiping out national welfare standards, Paul Martin spends a $100 billion surplus on tax cuts.
3) Personal income tax cuts that give 77% of the benefits to the wealthiest 8% of Canadians.
4) Promising to meet Kyoto standards, while Canada's emissions continue to rise, making the meeting of Kyoto standards less likely by the year. Continuing subsidies to oil companies.
5) Accepting $12 million in campaign donations from corporations, keeping corporate lobbyists as campaign advisors, and allowing them to return and lobby the government within weeks, calling it "ethical".
6) Keeping tax loopholes that allow Canada Steamship Lines to pay only 2% in corporate income taxes.
7) Appointing a Defence Minister that supported the war on Iraq.
 $100 million in taxpayers funds goes to advertising firms with political connections.
I mean come on Ruthy....if you really want to blindly follow the liberal pattern of corruption, cronyism and incompetence....please ...feel free. You get what you deserve.
I have said it before and I will say it again...Liberal only stand for ONE thing....and that is to BE ELECTED
Tories have always take the hard choices....the unpopular ones....but the ones we needed...
Notice that you still haven,t come up with a single Tory policy revoked by your beloved Liberals....I don,t think you shall.
The sooner Canadians realize this....the better we,ll all be!
Also...until you have the facts regarding Chalk River and in depth knowledge of the AECL and it,s processes and policies.....Blaming Harper is really just a red herring...
But lets just say that it,s been on the road to ruin looooong before Harper came to power......Just do a little research... |
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Ruthy
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twoseekmore,
I'm speaking about the man & not the party. You keep toeing the party line. |
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Again Ruthy....back it up...
I.m more than able to debate point by point....but debating rhetoric and slander is a fools game
The Harper government....while certainly not perfect...has shown much more integrity than any previous Liberal regime.
You want to talk party or the man....
You attacked the man.....I,ll show you your liberal men (and women) to be far greater flawed..
Iggy? Who knows. I don,t think even Iggy knows. He,s been away for 30yrs.....
But he,s a bloody good Liberal isn,t he....doesn,t commit to anything...wafts with the wind....speaks volumes without saying a thing...
I suppose in your world....he,ll be perfect!...but give me principled and committed any day....
No great leader has existed otherwise... |
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Yawanna2
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Ruthy please quit, your out of your league on this with twoseek, anyone reading your drivel will want a Harper majority based on your cluelessness |
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twoseekmore
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A little bit about Chalk River....
Before anybody drinks Ruthy,s Kool Aid....
Forget about the radiation leaks for a moment, if you can.
People are asking what this recent shutdown of the Chalk River nuclear reactor will mean. The answer is simple: people will suffer or die when they otherwise expected to heal.
There is hope but this facility stunted technological growth. I offer the Chalk River nuclear facility — a Crown corporation — as an example of the failure of government intervention monopolizing the market place. We do not need an inquiry to figure this out.
The reflexive socialists often attack free market economics by claiming that it will invariably produce monopolies that will raise prices and restrict supply. Currently, that is exactly what government has fostered in the medical market. Blaming Stephen Harper and the Conservatives is short-sighted and displays a profound ignorance of industrial economics.
Here is the proof:
OTTAWA - Clinics are paying two to three times more for medical isotopes after a supplier abruptly hiked its prices this month - just before the Chalk River reactor shut down and caused an isotope shortage.
Doctors fear the higher costs may force some clinics to delay tests used to detect cancer and heart ailments, lay off staff or even close.
Lantheus Medical Imaging, a Massachusetts-based company that supplies clinics with ‘generators’ used in medical imaging, notified its customers last week of the price increase.
So, if you ccan read that correctly, a government monopoly — thus, an un-free market — has led Canadians to face higher prices and generated sudden supply shortages from old technology with the added bonus of radiation leaks!
Scale tip to Cancer. ......Thanks Liberals!
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twoseekmore
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In spite of the crucial importance of Chalk River’s medical isotope production, the federal Liberal governments of Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin (1993-2006) and the present Conservative government refused to advance the funding necessary for the renovation of the old facility or for the configuration of other reactors to replace Chalk River. |
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twoseekmore
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So yes....the conservatives have not done as they should of and immediately got the new reactors underway for CR....
Even if they had , however. reactors aren,t commissioned overnight and the shortages would likely still be problematic....
However....if your Liberal buddies had done their due diligence and advanced funding when the problems were first identified.....none of this would be an issue today |
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twoseekmore
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I have also noticed Ruthy.....
Not a single point noted has been refuted.....
Time to realize that yes, Mr Harper can, at times, have the charisma of a lamprey....
Really doesn.t matter....I,ve had enough of charisma to last a while...
If I want it....I.ll watch American Idol or some other drivel...
He,s competent, committed to one Canada...keeps an even hand and has provided us a respectful position on the world stage.
More than enough to deserve a majority.. |
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sweetorgiests
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Anyone who has been around awhile has got to know that I am not a liberal supporter .... but Harper is the most dangerous PM ... anti Canadian values of any PM I have seen to date ... want to talk facts ... not club polictics ... bring them on ... I never wanted to see him as a majority dictator .... but he was better than Dion ...not so sure anymore after that complete and pathetic attempt to make Canadians as stupid as US politcians have worked on doing that to Americans.
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twoseekmore
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Sorry SO.....Your speaking and not saying anything....
Dangerous? Please explain...I.m all ears!
Anti Canadian? Really? I,d like to know more...
Dictator?? Harper??? You obviously don,t remember Trudeau very well do you?....or the trained seals that inhabit every Liberal caucus... |
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BigSmoke
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Stephen Harpo (the clown) is a PANTLOAD!!!! A big, brown pantload that is stinking up parliament hill.
It's easy to point the finger at politicians of any stripe. Career politicians are not in it for the fame, the satisfaction or the altruism. They are in it for the money. Harpo on the other hand is in it for the ideology and the power. I am fully convinced that Harpo was the kid everyone picked on while walking home from school. His ideology is apparent in this article. Sorry Stevie boy. Canada is a socialist country. Always has been, always will be. Get used to it or move to Amrrrrica.
Compared to the others, Harpo doesn't have the same track record. This is mainly due to the fact that he hasn't had the chance to unleash his wrath on the country. IMHO, the ONLY reason he actually got elected was because the people didn't want to vote for the others more. He was, by default, the lesser of three evils. And almost as if the people knew just how many votes to cast, they made sure he didn't get a majority. The memories of his predecessor Brian Mulroney still lingered.
All that aside, let's have a look at what he tried to do.
1) Tried to remove the rights of women to sue for pay equity. (pissed off women)
2) Tried to take away my right to have my tax dollars go to my party of choice. (pissed off people in search of true democracy)
3) Tried to take away union rights to strike. (pissed off union workers)
4) Tried to slash the budget on arts. (pissed off Quebec and others interested in the arts)
Harpo recently released some commercials slamming Iggy for being out of the country. It appeared to work. Support for Iggy dropped to 33% in the polls. But Harpo's support dropped to 31% at the same time. It looks good on him. This guy is so hungry for a majority he is frothing at the mouth. Thank gawd for us he won't be getting it any time soon.
One last thing. The proroguing of parliament was the worse abuse of power I have ever seen. He silenced my, and every Canadian's, voice within the government. My MP was not allowed to cast my vote of (non)confidence for Harpo. This piece of shit was afraid to go to work for fear of being fired, so he closed down the office.
Harpo will lose the next election and slink away in failure, returning only to take his rightful place in the "Pantload Hall of Fame."
A dictator maybe, but a leader he is not.
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Hmmm interesting! 
What really pisses me off at the moment is bill c-15 which has passed it's final third reading. What a great idea and time to impose failed Us style minimum mandatory sentencing which takes the discretionary powers from the Judges. Iggy went along with it as he didn't want to appear soft on crime. Iggy lost my vote on that one alone. We better start building new prisons to accommodate all the prisoners. It costs far more to imprison someone than treatment. This is nothing more than cruel punishment.
On a side note, it was nice to see the Swedish Pirate Party gain over 7% of the popular vote (214,000+) and gain a seat in the EU Parliament. It also looks like the NDP swept to a majority last night in the NS elections! |
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Ruthy
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twoseekmore,
Principled & committed to what? What is Mr. Harper principal to?... his own political fortune.
I just don't understand you. The past is the past & let's face it ... the Liberals have been in power a lot longer than the Conservatives. Let's deal with the Chalk-River crisis which is happening before our eyes. Why can't they give us a straight answer. First the Minister claims it's a lot bigger problem than they are making it out to be & suddenly she's gone. The new Minister acts very unprofessional. They tell us it'll only take 3 months to fix the problem & they know it'll take a lot longer. |
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MrSled, | Quote: | | It also looks like the NDP swept to a majority last night in the NS elections! |
They did and what an upset that was.
Yawanna2, you should stay out of political discussions of any sort. I still remember your position on the RCMP and Laser guns. You were soooo wrong on that.
You just continually embarrass yourself with all the garbage you are spewing. Shame on you. |
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Harper behaved despicably in attempting to shut out funding from all parties, the poroguement of parliament during which time he desperately attempted to deceive the Canadian public regarding the process of forming a coalition government. When he got the break he shouldn't have he completely re-wrote the budget and pulnged the country inot a massive and totally unjustified deficit.
He nows has the audacity to run a smear camapign against Iggy claimin that Iggy is only in it for himself .... Talk about the kettle calling the pot black!
I do not like the way Iggy was proclaimed leader of the liberals ...I'm not sure that he is the man to be leading this country, but Harper has clearly demonstrated deceitfulness and ineptness as the leader of the country, combine that with his obvious disdain for the public and reckless uncontrolled spending including his request for his own unaccounted for slush fund, and he may have me back out going door to door on the campaign trails supporting another party.
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QUOTE :All that aside, let's have a look at what he tried to do.
Ok Big Smoke....aptly named ...I might add...
1)) Tried to remove the rights of women to sue for pay equity. (pissed off women)
No he did not....the proposal was to include pay equity within the context of collective bargaining and out of the hands of the (highly biased and unaccountable HRC )
Sounds like a bloody good idea to me...
There has been over 4 billion (thats with a B ) in pay disputes paid out at the tax payers expense and those payments have been arbitrated by a group of appointed syncophants with NO accountability to ME ...the Tax Payer. At this stage in our civilization....the HRC has looooong outlived its usefullness and pay issues belong in collective bargaining...not with the HRC!
Here Here!! and Halleluja!
2) 3) Tried to take away union rights to strike. (pissed off union workers)
Really now? Did he? Lets take a closer look shall we?
His government proposed to limit the ability of public service unions the right to strike...
Wow....this about 20yrs over due. The ever fattening civil service has become so out of line with private sector employers that to continue to feed this monster is going to run us to ruin...
Public sector employees...are defacto essential and should NOT have the right to strike. The pay is more than fair...the benefits extremely generous and the pension plan s amongst the best in the world....
Quit your bitchin,....The rest of who WORK for a living are getting a bit tired of the Postal Strikes...the Teacher Strikes...the OPSEU strikes...the CUPE strikes...etc..etc etc...
It,s a bloody shame that the left wings kowtowing to these over bloated unions forced this....
More on The Public (dis)Service:
While the private sector grapples with harsh economic times...in the other Canada, the Canada of the public-sector worker, it’s a time of exhilarating struggle to consolidate the gains of the past. In Ottawa, for instance, the Amalgamated Transit Union’s local 279 is holding Christmas shoppers hostage and freezing retail traffic during a season that many vendors were counting on to propel them through the tough year ahead.
From York University to the B.C. ports, public-sector workers are on strike or considering strikes over old-fashioned perks that are gradually disappearing in the world of private business -- and that were never available to small-business owners, contract workers, entrepreneurs and the self-employed.
Hard times don’t really frighten unfireable lifers, so the weakness of the labour market doesn’t do anything to promote peace between governments and their comfortable unionized workforces.
Canadian Labour Congress president Ken Georgetti had the nerve to put on a baffled expression and ask: “How does taking away public employees’ right to strike stimulate the economy?” The answer, which any poor bastard trying to get a lift to work in Ottawa could have given him, is that the private sector has to cover the salaries of the public sector by creating wealth in an environment of risks and changing price signals. But increasingly, tax-funded workers act as if they’re doing the general public a favour by allowing us to pay for their lifestyles.
I,ll finish responding to your remaining points .....But you see I.m in the private sector....and have a job t do! |
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two seek more .... can't be in the auto industry ... that is no longer private sector ....
I agree with Me Georgetti .... the problem isn't the workers in the public sector who actually do the jobs ... it is the admin who attempt to cut the quality of services so they look better at the expense of the workers.
really does the education system need as many admin people as teachers????
should the strategy to better education (provincial jurisdiction) be to hire more part time employees (less qualified) because like the auto companies they negotiated shitty contracts and now are being asked to manage budgets. Should we have more temp services act as nurses then long term pros ... should we build new hospitals to close beds because they need to cut headcount???? Those are not the decisions of the unionized.
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Quote:...really does the education system need as many admin people as teachers????
Well I hate to be he bearer of bad news but the entire education system is about empire building.....not about educating kids....
If it were so.....we would not have TWO systems in parallel with each other...
The provinces job is to provide the frame work from which a decent and relevant education can be gained.......full stop!
You are right in that a severe rationalization of public services is long over due...but the public service has been hi-jacked by unions that it is no longer able to be flexible or adaptable to changing economic conditions....
It continues to be a mechanism of employment by those who can,t hack it in the private sector and those wishing for a comfortable lifestyle with no risk of layoff or redundancy...... |
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Yawanna2, you should stay out of political discussions of any sort. I still remember your position on the RCMP and Laser guns. You were soooo wrong on that.
You just continually embarrass yourself with all the garbage you are spewing. Shame on you. |
Ya and Ruthy is really holding her own 
P.S. and yes the prick needed to be taserd...but if the RCMP had laser guns that would be cool too |
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funcupp
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I refuse to talk politics in an open forum like this but have to add......Very refreshing to read Twoseekmore instead of Ruthy's constant Liberal blather.
Keep it up Twoseek....well done !! |
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BigSmoke
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| twoseekmore wrote: | You are right in that a severe rationalization of public services is long over due...but the public service has been hi-jacked by unions that it is no longer able to be flexible or adaptable to changing economic conditions....
It continues to be a mechanism of employment by those who can,t hack it in the private sector and those wishing for a comfortable lifestyle with no risk of layoff or redundancy...... |
I agree.
But I don't think tipping the scales in the other direction is any better. For every employee looking for a free ride there is a boss looking for sweat-shop labour. I agree, it may (and I stress may) force some to work a little harder for their lot in life. But it also might discourage the less intellectually gifted amongst us and cause welfare rolls to rise. Sure, we can cut welfare eligibility, but then what? Homeless people living in the streets?
When unions get too strong there needs to be a nudge in the employers favour. If the employer takes advantage of his workers, things need to be nudged back a half a notch. Only through that balance can we ensure no one is exploited or taken advantage of. Our pal Harpo fails to see that fact. He sees employees as a liability to minimize and marginalize. But I don't fault him for it, after all, he is an economist. That doesn't make him a leader though. And for the record, I still think he's a pantload.
In the end, assembly line workers are gonna all be replaced with robotics. They do more precise work, don't need vacation days and only 1/10th the staff is required to maintain them. All white collar engineers for the most part too. A little more expensive than your average 'johnny punch clock' but far less likely to call in sick with a hang over or get caught humping the pooch with his co-workers.
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couple4u
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You know I got to tell you smokie, I may not always agree with your views, but your always a great read. You put your points across, always without resorting to being base. I have never seen you resort to name calling of those who you are exchanging with, even when others have seen the need to do so to you during the course of debate.
You're a class act! |
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firebird
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Good post Smoke. We don't always agree but I also respect that you are often able to look at topics with little bias or prejudice. It is the only way to get a clear view of issues. A rarity among most posters not only here but anywhere. |
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sweetorgiests
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I think there is excessive attention drawn towards public workers vs bureaucrats. I would agree they have a strong union ... but the autoworkers, steel workers, teamsters tradesmen unions are at least as strong.
Mrs orgy is a union rep in opseu ... her and those around her work very hard and she as a rep remains balanced in doing what is fair for employees and also the education system. The gov't side as has rightly pointed out is about empire building ... and the big dollars go in that directiopn not towards the workers ... yes there are dog fuckers there but undoubtedly the private sector has an equivalent share.
It easy to look at other situations and jump to conclusions ... it takes much more effort to having a balanced perspective. Less admin less bureaucrats and less empire building in govt would go a lot farther in reducing cost so that strikes could be avoided by paying those who really do serve the public a decent wage.
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Yawanna2
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| couple4u wrote: | | You're a class act! |
Could this be Coup4 giving up his sexual hounding of our buddy coreman, as he is now all giddy over the Smoke man?
Oh ya stay on topic
Ahhh, Harper has a bad haircut! |
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couple4u
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| Quote: | | Could this be Coup4 giving up his sexual hounding of our buddy coreman, as he is now all giddy over the Smoke man? |
How can one man corner the market on being a dick, so much!
Oh ya stay on topic!
Yawanna has no hair to cut! |
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AJ_TO
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Joined: Dec 21, 2005
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Location: Toronto
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Ruthy is just being Ruthy. She's peeved that Harper is still breathing - never mind his being Prime Minister. She hates everything Conservative and practices the same politics of demonization that the Republicans practice in the US.
Harper isn't evil incarnate and Iggy isn't a saint. They are both politicians who will do or say anything to acquire or remain in power. It's about time that she gives her head a shake.  |
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couple4u
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No politician enters the arena with sinister notions. Most I believe enter the forum with noble intentions. And while I used to partake more in these political threads, I find the idea of them absurd.
Lets face it, the posters are a mosaic of differing experience, employment, morals, and priorities, and I have rarely, if ever seen anyone stray from their political stripe, or opinion. In fact, quite the opposite, I think to most, it becomes an exercise in proving a point and ego.
It's all rather like loving a mad dog! |
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coreman
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| couple4u wrote: | | It's all rather like loving a mad dog! |
Something in your past you would like to divulge to us. |
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Ruthy
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couple4u,
This thread reveals that Mr. Harper still has cheer leaders. And as usual he has no real competition yet. |
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Ruthy
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AJ_TO,
You're so wrong. If the Conservatives had a good leader & the Liberals a bad leader, I would vote Conservative.
Mr. Harper certainly has a right to breathe, just not to be Prime Minister the way he acts.
Meanwhile, the Liberals have been quiet. Not a good sign. |
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AJ_TO
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| Ruthy wrote: | AJ_TO,
You're so wrong. If the Conservatives had a good leader & the Liberals a bad leader, I would vote Conservative.
Mr. Harper certainly has a right to breathe, just not to be Prime Minister the way he acts.
Meanwhile, the Liberals have been quiet. Not a good sign. |
To respond to your comments:
1. If a man utters an opinion and a woman hear him - he IS wrong.
2. The reason I voted (reluctantly, I might add) for the Conservatives in the last election was that I saw the Liberal leader as being so weak. Harper was the better bet by default. This time around, I am inclined to vote Liberal and give Iggy a chance.
3. With respect to breathing, I was using hyperbole to illustrate my point. |
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BigSmoke
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Joined: Mar 23, 2003
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Location: Toronto (Scarborough)
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It seems Harpo the Clown is at it again. He has delayed the return of our MPs by over a month allowing him to appoint a series of new Senators, giving the Conservatives a majority.
I hope the opposition finally gets their shit together and puts the run to him once and for all before it's too late.
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